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Seiko
brand watches were originally produced by two different Seiko Corp.
subsidiaries. One was Daini Seikosha Co, Ltd (Kameido,Koto-ku, Tokyo) and the
other was Suwa Seikosha Co (Suwa-shi, Nagano). Two different companies
produced one brand in order to improve technology through severe
competition and to hedge the risk. Splendid watches were
produced at both companies because of this tough competitionand this
system proved efficient at hedging the risk.. If either company
experienced production problems the other company could compensate by
increasing production. Eventually Daini Seikosha Co, Ltd. changed it its company
name to Seiko Instruments Inc. and Suwa Seikosha Co, to Seiko Epson
Corporation.
Prior
to 1960 most people believed Swiss watches were the highestquality and
Japanese watches were inferior. Seiko believed they were
capable of producing watches of the same quality as the Swiss. In
fact, they had already made two high-quality examples, Crown and
Chronos . The Grand Seiko is the result of their beliefs. Who
made it? Daini Seikosha and Suwa began discussions under the
suggestion of their parent company, Seiko. It was decided that Suwa would
produce the first Grand Seiko (GS). Most men's watches were
produced at Suwa and most women's watches were made at Daini in
those days. The birth of GS was followed by the success of the
Tokyo Olympics and Seiko's victory at the astronomical observatory
Concours.
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Easy
to find in Yahoo Japan Auction
Difficult to find in Yahoo Japan Auction
Grand
Seiko & King Seiko in Yahoo Japan Auction
Suwa
Seikosha Co., 25jewels,Manual wind 36,000 units were produced. ![]()


This was the
first Chronometer grade watch manufactured in Japan. It
was based on an official certificate chronometer standard
developed internally within Seiko. Seiko improved the CROWN
with careful screening of materials and higher quality parts. People
say that SEIKO disregarded profit structure and pursued the highest
technology available at the moment. The
initial characters on the dial of Grand Seiko were carved,
but were changed to characters in relief because manufacturing was
too difficult.
The back lid was a snap type and
non-waterproof.
There is a lion logo on the back of the case.
Most cases were18K gold-plated (80 Κ), but platinum cases
were also produced.
The cost for this
watch was equivalent to 300,000-400,000JPY today. It was
unbelievably expensive in those days.
The
first stage of "SEIKO of the world" began with this GS.
The following are common to all GSs:
-Hack mechanism
-Two phase regulator mechanism
-Rating Certificate included
Note: Recently it has sold from
180,000 to 300,000JPY , depending on quality, at antique watch shops in
Japan. In most cases, crown and other parts have been swapped.
Suwa
Seikosha Co., 35jewels,Manual-wind, 81,000 units were produced. ![]()
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Date function was installed in 3180 Movement. The back lid was SCREWBACK type and it provided water resistance to a depth of 50m . Most cases were SS but we can find Gold Cup too.
A pure stainless steel was used for it
its case, which was unusual in those days. There is no need to mention
that this design is outstanding. The 430 Grand Seiko which I possess
is so accurate (+/- 3 seconds/day) even thought it is 35 years
old. The Lion on the backside has worn
and the characters on the dial have blurred, but a feeling
of solidness and quality exists that is completely different from other
SEIKOs. Very impressive. It is clear that the new 9S has succeeded in
matching the quality of this design and proves the level of this old
design.
As for the 5722B, the latter period model
had no chronometer declaration and its LION mark changed into GS mark on the
lid.
I think that lion logo of the back case
didn't mean the symbol of GS, but meant that watches had passed the company
internal Chronometer authorization.
The reason why I believe so
is because of the many Japanese reference books for Seiko watches. We
can see many King Seiko Chronometers, Seikomatic Chronometer, Liner Chronometer
which was made till 1966 had that lion medal on back. After 1966, all were
changed to GS logo and of course were available only on GSs
[My guess] Why 5722B became 19,800bph ?
There was Chronometer appeal in 1966 and Seiko determined "GS
standard" which was stricter than the official Chronometer standard in
1966. I think that number of vibrations was increased in order to get higher
quality because the standard became tougher.
[MEMO] 5722B at 128,000JPY at a used
watch store in Ueno, Tokyo (Dec. 2000) 180,000JPY at a used watch store in
an open air antique market (Feb. 2001)
DEAD STOCK 350,000JPY at a used watch store in Shizuoka pref, Japan (Feb. 2001)
Daini
Seikosha Co., Ltd. 27jewels,Manual wind![]()


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Daini
Seikosha released it in 1964 as a King Seiko
Chronometer initially, but because of Chronometer
appeal in 1966, it became 44Grand Seiko.
With it, a case and a stitch were changed. No DATE display.
The back lid is SCREWBACK type and it
guarantees 50 m depth waterproof.
Only SS case is found.
The difference on Movement between
44Grand Seiko(4420B) and 44King Seiko Chronometer (No No. & 4420A) is the
control device for a second hand. Case design was changed in order to emphasize
the beauty of a straight line. Seemed to be a base of later models, 45GS and
61GS.
KS is often compared with GS, but I think
that only 44KS Chronometer is regarded as an equal level as GS in accuracy
and product quality. It's very difficult to find 44GS even here in Japan
because of limited production. But I saw that it was sold at a range of
from 200,000 to 200,000 JPY in the past. I personally prefer to KS Chronometer,
but it is relatively expensive.
Suwa
Seikosha Co. 35,39jewels Automatic ![]()

Produced at Suwa Seikosha. This was originally sold as a Seikomatic Chronometer
but because of Chronometer appeal, the name was changed to 62Grand
Seiko.
Only a few products
were produced, so it is difficult to find today. Compared to
other GSs, there were differences in the position of crown and case
design.
[MEMO] One was sold at 150,000JPY in
a used watch store in Ueno, Tokyo Dec.2000) It was the first time for me
to actually see it.
Suwa
Seikosha Co : 25jewels Automatic ![]()
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6155 A
-- GS Special standard official approval. 36,000bph. 25j DATE
6156 A -- GS Special standard
official approval. 36,000bph. 25j DAY/DATE
6185 B -- VFA 36,000bph. 25j DATE
6186
B -- VFA 36,000bph. 25j DAY/DATE

This GrandSeiko that is one of
the best Seiko automatics. It achieved SEIKO internal GS
standard approval. Developed from the base 61SeikoMatic 5. Grand
Seiko which fed back by the technology that Suwa cultivated by the astronomical
observatory Concours . There is GS mark at a crown. The back lid is GS, not
lion. It had an automatic movement which had a hand winding
mechanism. The thickness of a machine is 5.6 mm.(45xx, 3.5 mm) and it may seem
to be too thick.
The Best 61GS was the VFA (Very
Fine Adjusted) model. It guaranteed that Mean Monthly Rate 60 Sec for two
years. The VFA was specially made GS that was manufactured and
adjusted by superior engineers with selected parts. It expanded the
ability of 61GS to the limit. Those engineers seem to include participants of
the astronomical observatory Concours .
Ordinary 61GS is -3+6 and 61GS special is +-3.
[MEMO] Two of them were sold at 68,000JPY
and 88,000JPY in Ueno (Dec. 2000). Most metal backs are damaged, as
far as I know.
Daini
Seikosha Co., Ltd: 25jewels,Manual wind,![]()
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This Grand
Seiko benefited from the technology that Daini Seikosha cultivated at the
astronomical observatory Concours . Thin movement. With this type of movement,
KS Chronometer and KS were made.
The back lid is SCREWBACK type and
guarantees wate rresistance.
Case is SS, GC. 18K is available.
This 45 GS includes "Neuchatel
astronomical observatory authorization Chronometer 45 Grand Seiko" which
is surely a legend. Most of the watches try to acquire "Neuchatel
astronomical observatory authorization Chronometer" in those days were
not sold on the ordinary market since they lacked
durability. They seeked accuracy too much. Same as Formula 1 race cars. But
SEIKO sold 73 "Neuchatel astronomical observatory authorization
Chronometer 45 Grand Seiko" and showed the level of their technology to
the world.
And we can't neglect another rare product, V.F.A (Very Fine Adjusted) which is
sought by many maniac watch lovers. These watches are manufactured by specialty
selected engineers at SEIKO. They used only selected parts and received
careful adjustment. It resulted in 2 years guarantee for, Mean Monthly Rate 60
Sec. I have a 45 King Seiko (NON CHRONOMETER) which is ranked at the 45
Movement. I may imagine Potential which 45Movement has when thinks that is now
that passed for 30 years, getting the daily less than 2 seconds whether is high
Movement of completion degree. Even this 30 years old one has just 2 seconds
differences. Considering it, you can imagine the potential of 45 Movement. It
was just a perfect movement.
[MEMO] Japan CHRONOMETER authorization
association was established in 1968 when this 45 GS was released in Japan.
However, Grand Seiko got only company internal GS standard, not Chronometer
approval even after it. But high rank type of 45, 56, 52 King Seikos received
domestic Chronometer official approval. Then there is Chronometer declaration
on then.
430GS Self-Dater(18000 vibration) and
45KS Chronometer(36000 vibrations) have been measured by "Witschi Watch
Expert Electronic Timer". When "posture" of 18000 vibration was
changed, vibration varied and it took some seconds till be stable. But
36000 vibration didn't change a lot even though "posture" was
changed. There was big difference on it in short.
Several were sold at 88,000JPY in Ueno
(Dec. 2000)
GS, 18K was 350,000JPY at a store in Okachimachi, Tokyo, Jan. 2001)
Price comparison--+ of-45 serise (1969)
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ASTRONOMICAL
OBSERVATORY CHRONOMETER |
180,000JPY |
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45
GRAND SEIKO V.F.A.(SS NONDATE) |
85,000JPY |
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45
GRAND SEIKO (SS NONDATE) |
27,000-29,000JPY |
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45
KING SEIKO CHRONOMETER (SS NONDATE) |
20,000JPY |
|
45 KING
SEIKO (SS NONDATE) |
15,000-16,000JPY |
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Seikosha Co: 25jewels : Automatic ![]()
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Beginning in the 1970fs, SEIKO began to use robots
in the production process. Some manual processes remained, but
compared with other watches, most of the 56GS
production was automated. It means that the precision level of 28,800 bph
decreased from 36,000 bph, but the reliability level had some reliability.
Considering the balance of maintenance, reliability and precision, some people
say that 28,800 bph is the best. To be frank, however, I think that 36,000 bph
needs a lot of handcrafted man's work and it doesn't fit for mass production in
particular, detailed adjustment for it. I feel that there is no dignity on
movement because it might be affected by automation. And with advantage of
thin product, we now can see the luxurious design for it, like 56 type (4.5 mm)
or 61 type (5.6 mm). 61 GS was remained and grade upped as Grand Seiko Special
after these 56 GS was released.
Thanks to mass production, it is easy for us to get maintenance parts even now,
after 30 years. This is the most reliable Grand Seiko currently because we
can easily get maintenance parts.
But GS disappears with this for
awhile.
[MEMO] I have seen 5 or 6 of them sold in
Ueno, Tokyo (Dec. 2000). I think that price was almost the same as 45GS or
61GS.
Gorgious 56GS of 18 K gold was sold for 168,000JPY (originally 191,000JPY brand
new) in a used watch storein Shinjuku, Tokyo (Dec. 2000).Considering
the material, this was a reasonable price.
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Seiko
Instruments Inc(Daini): 26jewels, Automatic

1998/11/28.The legendary mechanical type Grand Seiko was revived
after a 24 years absence. Using computer technology, a high
precision gear was designed. It realized high conduction efficiency more
than the same class as 45GS astronomical observatory chronometer. With adoption
of Dia Flex, Power Reserve spring was realized for50 hours(38 hours for 45
GS) With regard to the finish of the movement, we can see the
thoroughness and pursuit of high-quality even for unseen parts.
Conscious of COSC chronometer standard of the present age, they set higher standard
for NEW GS and this watch has passed it. It has 30 years parts
guarantee, conscious of the world trend for the highest-grade
watches. Many durable materials were developed for this watch. Then,
Seiko lovers wants "36,000bph Hi-Beat GS" at the same time.
We also want to revive Chronometer declaration GS, beyond the concept of GS
company internal standard. Seiko, you can do it!
In
the middle of 1960's, European Chronometer Official Association appealed that
Seiko shouldn't use the name Chronometer. Because of that, Seiko
was unable to use the name of Chronometer. With this appeal, Seiko, Daini
Seikosha and Suwa established stricter group internal standard for quality
which was called GS standard. Seiko watches which had this Chronometer
declaration began to be use the name of Grand Seiko according to company
internal GS standard. (62GS,44GS) At the same
time, the Japan chronometer approval organization was organized, and
officially approval started in 1969. (however, because of rise of quartz
it was closed in 1983) Chronometer of 45,56,52 King Seiko did PASS this
official approval.
From
1964, Daini Seikosha Co.,Ltd and Suwa Seikosha Co has participated in a
department of Neuchatel at astronomical observatory Concours .
In the first participation, Daini got 153th place grade and Suwa got 144th
grade. Order is suddenly raised afterwards. Only three years later, Daini got
4,5,7,8th and Suwa acquired 12th in 1967. With regard to the series prize,
Omega won the best, Daini got the second and Suwa got the third prize. But
the Concours was stopped suddenly by the year. The contents of Concours was an
examination of astronomical observatory Chronometer standard precision for 45
days. Watches passed that examination became certificate "astronomical
observatory authorization Chronometers". Each watch manufacturer submitted
special movement produced only for the Concours .
Most of them were not good for commercial market as they were too high
precision, not durable.
But this 45GS was marketed after it passed this astronomical observatory
Chronometer (only 73 units of 100 were PASSed))
There were only two companies who could sell watches passed astronomical
observatory authorization Chronometer in those days. ---Seiko and Giraud
Peregaux.
I greatly appreciate the assistance
of Mr. Koji Kubota, head of Seiko Museum. He told me, in detail, many precious
stories about Seiko GS production in 1960-1970.
Another great
mentor is Mr. Wayne Lee. He showed me the wonders of the Seiko GS world.
Without his thoughtful guidance and suggestions, I wouldn't even think of
writing this note. Thank you very much again.
Ifd like to thank Mr.Jacob Aalfs to edit
this Seiko History. I canft thank him enough for his kindness.
THE
SEIKO BOOK,Tokuma
Shoten 1999/5
Domestic
watch Series No.1,3,5,9 Tombo Shuppan, Yoshio Nagao,Toshiki Mori
1996/6
Japanese
to English Translator Excite Altavista
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I strongly believe that 52 King Seiko special chronometer quality exceeded
Grand Seikos.
The brand name "King Seiko" was the symbol of Daini-Seikosha.
In the '70 era, the quartz watch sale became very rampant. At that stage,
Daini Seikosha thought that the 52 caliber was the last chance to produce for mechanical watches, and thus, they felt that they should produce a superior caliber to remain part of the watch history.
- Durability
- Thin caliber
- The function with day and date change quickly at 24:00
- One piece case for perfect water proof
(Honestly speaking the water proof ability was a weakness. Almost people
take a bath and swim with the watch. So it is hard to find no stain dial on
the 52 King Seiko special.)
The 8 bps movement was more durable than the 10 bps movement. This could be due to that 10 bps 45 caliber needed more frequent maintanence..
Thus, Daini-Seikosha produced the new caliber based on the experience.
52 caliber!!
Based on selection of only high precision parts, 52 King Seiko Special
chronometer was born!!
This caliber design was so great that it was modified to become the famous
4S caliber after about 20 years.
Because of this superb caliber, Daini-Seikosha named it "Special " (as to
more superior) than normal King Seiko .
Lastly, I think 52 King Seiko quality exceeded those of the Grand Seikos.
Seiya
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